Curse

pitty_sayonara · Jul 11, 2007, 01:30 PM // 13:30

dear anet,

when u renamed tombs of primeval kings into heroes ascent i didnt know u want to make it for real Heroes (Olias,Zhed ...)

Why dont u make heroes ascent for only HUMANS? I wont be the only one who thinks HEROES are for PVE not for PVP.

I know its good for ppl who dont have any rank to gain some fames but when they get to HoH they can be really anoying cause they dont know what to do and gank u whole time instead of focusing on winning team. ( this happens on kill counts too)

If u want to keep heroes for heroes ascent pls write at least 1 reasonable message.

P.S. Why dont u finally nerf rit spike?

Maagus · Jul 11, 2007, 01:37 PM // 13:37

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Originally Posted by pitty_sayonara

dear anet,

when u renamed tombs of primeval kings into heroes ascent i didnt know u want to make it for real Heroes (Olias,Zhed ...)

Why dont u make heroes ascent for only HUMANS? I wont be the only one who thinks HEROES are for PVE not for PVP.

I know its good for ppl who dont have any rank to gain some fames but when they get to HoH they can be really anoying cause they dont know what to do and gank u whole time instead of focusing on winning team. ( this happens on kill counts too)

If u want to keep heroes for heroes ascent pls write at least 1 reasonable message.

P.S. Why dont u finally nerf rit spike?

/signed (123)

FredaloT · Jul 11, 2007, 01:38 PM // 13:38

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Originally Posted by pitty_sayonara

dear anet,

when u renamed tombs of primeval kings into heroes ascent i didnt know u want to make it for real Heroes (Olias,Zhed ...)

Why dont u make heroes ascent for only HUMANS? I wont be the only one who thinks HEROES are for PVE not for PVP.

I know its good for ppl who dont have any rank to gain some fames but when they get to HoH they can be really anoying cause they dont know what to do and gank u whole time instead of focusing on winning team. ( this happens on kill counts too)

If u want to keep heroes for heroes ascent pls write at least 1 reasonable message.

P.S. Why dont u finally nerf rit spike?

/sign <3 Pitty

Nurse With Wound · Jul 11, 2007, 01:41 PM // 13:41

Why were builds like iway, bloodspike, vimway running rampart for ages? Why did they introduced 6v6 and kept it for months? Why Nightfall is full of "win button" skills? Why old heroway, one man teams and 5 hero/hench were tolerated in HA for almost half a year against outcry of players?

Anet wants to dumb down the game, so the "casual players" aka noobs will have some chance against real players using imbalanced, broken builds. Those players have no skill, and their place surely isn't HA. Sadly, they are being given tools which are making the game for the rest of us unpleasant. Many players left the game disgusted by this policy, but at least some whammo got his bambi running heroway. Anet has chosen it's customer base some time ago. It is not competitive player, its whammo farmer. PVP is dead, move along.

Elfie · Jul 11, 2007, 01:43 PM // 13:43

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Originally Posted by pitty_sayonara

dear anet,

when u renamed tombs of primeval kings into heroes ascent i didnt know u want to make it for real Heroes (Olias,Zhed ...)

Why dont u make heroes ascent for only HUMANS? I wont be the only one who thinks HEROES are for PVE not for PVP.

I know its good for ppl who dont have any rank to gain some fames but when they get to HoH they can be really anoying cause they dont know what to do and gank u whole time instead of focusing on winning team. ( this happens on kill counts too)

If u want to keep heroes for heroes ascent pls write at least 1 reasonable message.

P.S. Why dont u finally nerf rit spike?

/signed <3

moko · Jul 11, 2007, 01:52 PM // 13:52

duh, it's HEROES ascent lolol noob. [/sarcasm]

well what can i say, it's so right but won't ever happen.

Sarevok Thordin · Jul 11, 2007, 02:00 PM // 14:00

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Originally Posted by Nurse With Wound

Why were builds like iway, bloodspike, vimway running rampart for ages? Why did they introduced 6v6 and kept it for months? Why Nightfall is full of "win button" skills? Why old heroway, one man teams and 5 hero/hench were tolerated in HA for almost half a year against outcry of players?

Anet wants to dumb down the game, so the "casual players" aka noobs will have some chance against real players using imbalanced, broken builds. Those players have no skill, and their place surely isn't HA. Sadly, they are being given tools which are making the game for the rest of us unpleasant. Many players left the game disgusted by this policy, but at least some whammo got his bambi running heroway. Anet has chosen it's customer base some time ago. It is not competitive player, its whammo farmer. PVP is dead, move along.

Hate to say it but blame the stuck up elitists who promptly snuff players who want to climb up the ladders to use the more effective builds without needing baby/wolfy to get a team. Nobody helps newer players in the game, they resort to the only means they can, aka IWAY.

Randomway Ftw · Jul 11, 2007, 02:06 PM // 14:06

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

Hate to say it but blame the stuck up elitists who promptly snuff players who want to climb up the ladders to use the more effective builds without needing baby/wolfy to get a team. Nobody helps newer players in the game, they resort to the only means they can, aka IWAY.

You should of stuck with IWAY, at least that way you're the one who is c spacing instead of having bots play the game for you.

Nurse With Wound · Jul 11, 2007, 02:21 PM // 14:21

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

Hate to say it but blame the stuck up elitists ..

LMAO. I love "elitists omgomg" post. Well, sorry mate, this is not charity, and I'm not sister of mercy. When I come back from work, I want to play with friends not babysit noobs.

And yeah, what Randomway wrote :

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Originally Posted by Randomway Ftw

You should of stuck with IWAY, at least that way your the one who is c spacing instead of having bots play the game for you.

Tordek · Jul 11, 2007, 03:02 PM // 15:02

this heroway build has been around for some time, its only now that we see the farmers and the scrubs picking up something that actually doesn't require them moving their chubby grease stained fingers.

I can recall when zoo ran this build tough I doubt they were the makers, and it was oh so clever.

as for the rit spike, 9/10 groups can't even run the damn thing, and the rest are fame farmers.

Despozblehero · Jul 11, 2007, 03:45 PM // 15:45

Heros shouldnt be a part of PvP, except for something to laugh at. The decision maker at anet said he had a good idea... RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO YOU SKILL! So they worked on it did a few tweaks here and there and now everyone at anet plays zergway/ritspike/heroway in HA and stick by the "theres nothing SERIOUSLY wrong with PvP since we balanced the N/Rt spike builds ;p*loved that article*" or the "We totally FUBARED our game, so we quit, but ill sell you a new one soon." Anyways PvP isnt about skill anymore, infact theres very little skill required anywhere in the game anymore... If you expect this to change or get better, i suggest doing what me and my ENTIRE GUILD are doing, finding a new game, and a new company to take our $$.

Kyp Jade · Jul 11, 2007, 03:51 PM // 15:51

/signed x 1000000

You have HvH for this hero junk, bring back the PLAYER vs PLAYER environment, if i want to kill AI I'll go pve somewhere.

I Brother Bloood I · Jul 11, 2007, 04:05 PM // 16:05

I dont see whats so bad about them your not running them and they just replace player spots that cant be filled. Even QQ ran heros once what are u gonna do call them noobs...

Despozblehero · Jul 11, 2007, 04:09 PM // 16:09

theres zaishen henches to fill player spots if thats all you really want ;p

Quozz · Jul 11, 2007, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by Nurse With Wound

Anet wants to dumb down the game, so the "casual players" aka noobs will have some chance against real players using imbalanced, broken builds. Those players have no skill, and their place surely isn't HA. Sadly, they are being given tools which are making the game for the rest of us unpleasant. Many players left the game disgusted by this policy, but at least some whammo got his bambi running heroway. Anet has chosen it's customer base some time ago. It is not competitive player, its whammo farmer. PVP is dead, move along.

Since when does a casual player automatically equate to being a "noob"? This is a gross mischaracterization and is just another example of the type of bad attitude that has poisoned the atmosphere of PVP. Is elitism, bad attitudes, and poor sportsmanship the only problems facing PVP? Of course not, as there are a myriad of issues that need to be addressed including broken, over powered skills.

However, until the player community smartens up and stops treating newer players like dirt organized PVP will never be successful no matter if all the other problems are corrected.

Kyp Jade · Jul 11, 2007, 04:26 PM // 16:26

These 'casual' players arent all that likely to be able to play the 8 spots of heroway NEARLY as well as the AI can. I dont even know if most hardcore players can fill those spots.

What upsets people, is these casual players beat top teams, and think they are good. And its sad that the olias/master of whispers play on the same level as the top teams, because MOST heroways, the human parts of them suck, horribly. And its easy to see, just watch the thumpers run around training or the human monk get diversioned on every spell.

If heroes were to suddenly dissapear, this build would not be so common either, because very few people can execute those bars as well as the heroes can.

pitty_sayonara · Jul 11, 2007, 05:06 PM // 17:06

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Originally Posted by Kyp Jade

These 'casual' players arent all that likely to be able to play the 8 spots of heroway NEARLY as well as the AI can. I dont even know if most hardcore players can fill those spots.

What upsets people, is these casual players beat top teams, and think they are good. And its sad that the olias/master of whispers play on the same level as the top teams, because MOST heroways, the human parts of them suck, horribly. And its easy to see, just watch the thumpers run around training or the human monk get diversioned on every spell.

If heroes were to suddenly dissapear, this build would not be so common either, because very few people can execute those bars as well as the heroes can.

Absolutelly true, just remember old discord spike ^^ .. when heroes were replaced by ppl it wasnt that good..

ksalanpang · Jul 11, 2007, 06:14 PM // 18:14

Still about 2 months to go for GW:EN. There'll be no surprise for pvpers. Many people who quit already said they'd come back for GWEN..From what i see is, they'd not stay long in game since GWEN is all about PvE ^^.

There'll be more heroes selections ^^; gg... Lets bring more heroes to HA .. kbye to HA/gw.

Those special weekends are not appealing to players anymore..at least for me and my guildies.. Like this upcoming one, bah...I'd rather watch Oprah..Oo

Lorekeeper · Jul 11, 2007, 06:36 PM // 18:36

im afraid the problem is not the heroes.

the problem is... there are hardly any good players left in HA. The amount of good players left and active in HA is so low that their impact on the meta is absolutely zero.

We are left with a pitiful pool of active players who are not capable of playing balanced builds that require some semblance of skill and game awareness. The only thing these players can be successful with is imbalanced gimmick builds.

Dont worry, theres no need for the old rank elitism debate anymore. Theres such a small amount of these elitists left it doesnt matter. Heroes are dominating cos there just arent any good teams left to weed them out.

If anet get rid of heroes in HA, it'll be too late. Im not saying that heroes should never have been allowed into HA in the first place, but their dominance today is just an indication of the way things have turned out.

All the various issues with kill count, the switch from 8vs8 to 6vs6 back to 8vs8. The slow reactions to balance imbalanced builds and skills. The 1 button win skills introduced in nightfall that took an age to balance. Soul reaping finally dealt with in some way 2 years after release. Searing flames nerfed how many months after introduction into the game. Jade isle map change how long after first complaints were made.

And rit spike still way too hard for your average balanced monk backline to beat.

as nurse has said... the state of HA is a result of policy decisions made by Anet to promote a certain type of play for a certain type of player. GW pvp is a textbook example for game companies how NOT to operate.

i wish them luck in marketing any future pvp related products.

Kyp Jade · Jul 11, 2007, 07:18 PM // 19:18

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Originally Posted by Lorekeeper

im afraid the problem is not the heroes.

All the various issues with kill count, the switch from 8vs8 to 6vs6 back to 8vs8. The slow reactions to balance imbalanced builds and skills. The 1 button win skills introduced in nightfall that took an age to balance. Soul reaping finally dealt with in some way 2 years after release. Searing flames nerfed how many months after introduction into the game. Jade isle map change how long after first complaints were made.

And rit spike still way too hard for your average balanced monk backline to beat.

as nurse has said... the state of HA is a result of policy decisions made by Anet to promote a certain type of play for a certain type of player. GW pvp is a textbook example for game companies how NOT to operate.

QFT

btw anet likes overpowered builds like rt spike, cause it allows the casual gamer to win. So much for skilled play they advertised.